Campfire: On Collaborating

Tonight, we got together in Campfire to do a chat for you guys, discussing the collaborating process.

WARNING: There be spoilers. We got a little blue with the content. And it’s really, really funny so maybe put the Diet Coke down for a minute. We’ll be back with more Campfires this week as we discuss the book tour and other exciting stuff going on in Ohio. Enjoy!

Krissie O.:  Hi, Lani
Jenny C.: Hi, guys.
Krissie O.: Hi, Miz Jenny
Lani D.: Hello, girls.
Jenny C.: So we’re talking about collaboration tonight.
Jenny C.: I’m for it.
Lani D.: So. Collaboration.
Jenny C.: So, Mesopotamia.

Krissie O.: So here we are with our three Macbooks.
Krissie O.: We’re lovely.
Jenny C.: Yes.
Jenny C.: Sitting in the same room.
Lani D.: We are. Such happy goddesses.
Krissie O.: Absolutely.
Jenny C.: Getting ready to start a book tour.
Jenny C.: Lucky goddesses.
Jenny C.: Well, I love collaborating.
Krissie O.: I think we only collaborate because we have such a good time together.
Jenny C.: Well, and we all like each other’s writing.
Krissie O.: I do too, but then, I love doing anything with you guys.
Jenny C.: And the premise was so much fun we all wanted to do it.
Jenny C.: I KNOW. Especially shopping.
Lani D.: LOL, seriously.
Krissie O.: Especially
Jenny C.: But we also worked really well together.
Jenny C.: Even when we disagreed, we disagreed beautifully.
Lani D.: We did.
Jenny C.: And I think that’s important in collaborating.
Lani D.: THREE DAYS.
Krissie O.: Yup. When I’d get all butt-hurt I’d call a campfire and everyone would soothe me.
Jenny C.: Because sometimes you need to go to your separate corners.
Jenny C.: And sometimes you need soothing.
Krissie O.: Turns out I can’t have too much feedback too early.
Lani D.: You do, and we were good about respecting that.
Jenny C.: Yep.
Lani D.: Also, I think it helps that we just like each other so much.
Krissie O.: Absolutely.
Jenny C.: And it turns out Lani and I need to be told we’re ignorant sluts right away.
Krissie O.: But then, what’s not to like.
Jenny C.: Yeah. The respect is there.
Jenny C.: So the process works, is what we’re trying to say.
Jenny C.: And then there’s synergy. I don’t think any of us could have written this book as a solo. I couldn’t have.
Lani D.: Oh, I definitely couldn’t have written this without you two.
Krissie O.: Me neither. It took me in whole new directions.
Krissie O.: I got to explore my nicer side.
Krissie O.: At least, with characters. I’m always nice.
Krissie O.: Hey, Jenny, how is it different collaborating with a man than with women?
Lani D.: LOL.
Jenny C.: Collaborating with a guy. He does the guy parts and I do the girl parts. He kills things and I establish relationships. It’s a lot more compartmentalized, so it’s a completely different kind of process.
Jenny C.: The three of us do the same thing in different ways.
Jenny C.: So it’s less of culture clash, although I think the culture clash provides good energy, so that’s okay, too.
Lani D.: It was interesting for me, because I’d never collaborated before, and I was terrified I’d make you both hate me.
Jenny C.: We did. THREE DAYS.
Lani D.: I wasn’t expecting it to be as much unholy fun as it was.
Lani D.: I expected the work, but I didn’t expect it to be such a joy ride.
Jenny C.: It really was. Never laughed so hard in my life.
Krissie O.: This was more intensive than my last collaboration, and the dynamics were different. But it a helluva good time.
Jenny C.: It really was a fun book. Even at the end when we were pedal to the metal and making ourselves insane, we still laughed like crazy.
Krissie O.: Yup.
Lani D.: Okay, girls, what was your favorite part of the collaboration experience?
Jenny C.: Campfires. Arguing over structure. All the hassling we did over our sex scenes.
Jenny C.: Because that was funny.
Jenny C.: The way we discovered things together.
Jenny C.: The boozle scene is a good example; that came from all of us.
Krissie O.: spending time together, of course. I missed some of the best part of the experience — creating the world. Jenny and Lani started out with another collaborator, Alesia Holliday/Alyssa Day, and together they came up with the concept and some of the best ideas.
Jenny C.: Yeah, but you had huge impact on that.
Krissie O.: I love seeing other ways of looking at stuff.
Jenny C.: It changed a lot when you got in. And you gave us Gen.
Jenny C.: I do, too.
Lani D.: I loved the brainstorming. It was like the step-temple in the book. I’d put down a layer, then you guys would put down a layer, and in the end I’d have something I would never have gotten to on my own.
Krissie O.: The way our characters interacted.
Jenny C.: Yes.
Lani D.: Oh, I loved when you guys would post a new scene, and it would be the joy of creation along with it being new.
Jenny C.: The way it belongs to all of us.
Krissie O.: Yup.
Jenny C.: That’s really the best part of collaborating because you get something you’d never have gotten on your own, but it’s still yours.
Jenny C.: I mean, Shar is my girl, but I’d have written her differently if I’d been writing the book alone.
Jenny C.: And you guys kept messing with Sam.
Jenny C.: Critiquing his performances.
Lani D.: And there was always good energy. With a solo book, sometimes you get in the dumps. With this, if I was lagging, you guys would be going full-steam and pick me up in it. I loved that.
Jenny C.: Yep. We egged each other on.
Lani D.: LOL - yeah, what did we say about Sam in the beginning?
Jenny C.: That we needed more dick and awe in Sam’s sex scene.
Lani D.: Oh, right. He didn’t show enough awe after sex with Shar.
Lani D.: LOL
Jenny C.: He wasn’t awed enough by Shar.
Jenny C.: Although there was plenty of dick. As I recall.
Jenny C.: Note: This transcript is NSFW.
Lani D.: Yes. Not enough in my scene, but I fixed it.
Lani D.: LOL
Jenny C.: Honest to god, what HAPPENED to you in that courtyard?
Lani D.: God, you guys gave me such a hard time about that. No pun intended.
Jenny C.: Well, it was the only hard time anybody was getting in that courtyard.
Lani D.: LOL, she was a goddess, he worshipped her, it worked, but I conceded to appease you because I’m a good goddess.
Lani D.: We never can have too many courtyard jokes.
Lani D.: It was definitely interesting having sex scenes critiqued.
Lani D.: That was new.
Jenny C.: And as I remember, I just cut the sex scene in the temple.
Lani D.: Oh, right.
Jenny C.: I’m used to it.
Jenny C.: The last time I critiqued one of Bob’s sex scenes, he wrote back, “What’s foreplay?” Never had to do that with you guys.
Lani D.: No. No, you did not. LOL.
Lani D.: Men.
Jenny C.: God love them. When they know what foreplay is.
Jenny C.: Really, my fave scenes were the goddesses together.
Jenny C.: The boozle scene. That was so them. And us.
Lani D.: Oh, I loved those. The boozle scene is my favorite, I think.
Krissie O.: Absolutely.
Lani D.: The glittery hoo-ha, which came - almost word for word - from an actual e-mail I sent to Jenny once.
Lani D.: I can’t believe we got that in there.
Krissie O.: I know. I’m so proud.
Krissie O.: And I even got the glittery hoo-ha there in the flesh.
Lani D.: I keep waiting for someone to mention the GHH in reviews, but alas, they do not.
Krissie O.: Not yet.
Krissie O.: But they will.
Lani D.: Right, Abby’s sugar crystals. LOL.
Jenny C.: Lotta classics in this one.
Jenny C.: So the best things about collaborating:
Jenny C.: The laughing.
Lani D.: The brainstorming.
Jenny C.: The new places we went with our writing.
Krissie O.: And the shopping.
Jenny C.: Dick and Awe.
Jenny C.: Yes, absolutely the shopping.
Jenny C.: And the food.
Lani D.: Courtyard Sex.
Lani D.: And Glittery Hoo-Has.
Krissie O.: Steak n Shake.
Krissie O.: (which isn’t the courtyard sex)
Jenny C.: And the absolute, unconditional support we got from each other.
Lani D.: I loved when we’d get together in the same room and cover the wall with colored post-its and the ideas would fly.
Krissie O.: Yup. My favorite times
Lani D.: The energy we’d have together in person was such a joy.
Lani D.: We’d make so much progress in a single day, it was like fire catching.
Jenny C.: Going to the Met in NYC to the Mesopotamian exhibit.
Krissie O.: Staying in an apartment in Greenwich Village rates high on the fun meter too.
Jenny C.: Oh, yeah, the three of us in the garden apt. in Greenwich.
Lani D.: Oh, yes, where I got carried away and touched the 4000 year old bas reliefs until the security guard yelled at me.
Lani D.: Oh, that apartment was great.
Jenny C.: Well, there was a SIGN RIGHT THERE.
Jenny C.: But it did look like Sam. Shar did the same thing.
Lani D.: I know, I just couldn’t help myself.
Jenny C.: Neither could Shar.
Jenny C.: Feeling up history.
Lani D.: Oh, I loved the hard/stone jokes for Sam.
Lani D.: We had a million of those.
Jenny C.: Most of which did not go into the book, thank god.
Lani D.: They were good, but they were bad.
Lani D.: It was fun in the background, though.
Jenny C.: I had the most fun with the courtyard. Every time Shar walked through that courtyard, she wondered why nobody ever had sex there.
Lani D.: LOL, I know you guys were merciless with that.
Jenny C.: And Abby’s mattress scene. The only heroine I ever read who had to carry her own mattress up the stairs to get laid.
Jenny C.: Krissie puts her women through a lot.
Jenny C.: And it was a queen size.
Krissie O.: Yup, a single woman lugging a king-size mattress.
Lani D.: LOL, and then she didn’t even get any.
Jenny C.: There was no freaking way, Krissie.
Krissie O.: I cut it down.
Jenny C.: Well, eventually.
Jenny C.: Just not in the courtyard.
Krissie O.: I know. I finally conceded
Lani D.: Right, up three flights of stairs.
Lani D.: Not to mention, Abby was 85 pounds.
Lani D.: We were like, “Huh?” And Krissie said, “What?”
Lani D.: Took her THREE DAYS to realize we were right.
Jenny C.: THREE DAYS.
Jenny C.: We tried to tell her.
Lani D.: So, the moral of collaborating - wait three days, they’ll figure it out.
Jenny C.: Plus–and this is what got me–she carried the damn thing home from the store on top of her van.
Jenny C.: For those of us who have moved mattresses . . .
Lani D.: You with Kar-en in that endless scene with Sam. I argue and argue for you to cut it, you ignore me, then later, “Maybe I should cut Kar-en. What do you think?” Like it was your idea.
Jenny C.: You always hated Karen.
Krissie O.: You can do it with a double. I did it
Jenny C.: You did not.
Krissie O.: Did too
Lani D.: And Krissie’s still arguing for the mattress.
Jenny C.: You tied a double bed mattress to the top of a van and drove it down the road?
Lani D.: Look, maybe I could do it, but I’m not 85 pounds.
Krissie O.: Drove right by Harrison Ford’s house too.
Krissie O.: I was gonna have it fall off right there.
Jenny C.: Oh, SURE.
Krissie O.: Curb service
Jenny C.: And Harrison came out and said, “Let me lift that for you, little lady.”
Lani D.: And now for the fantasy portion of our program…
Jenny C.: Krissie has a rich fantasy life.
Krissie O.: I do.
Krissie O.: This was in Princeton in a very elegant part of it.
Lani D.: It’s why her books are so damn good.
Jenny C.: Although I have to tell you, I find Harrison Ford more believable than the double mattress on top of the van.
Krissie O.: smoooch
Lani D.: We’re just never gonna stop fighting about it.
Jenny C.: So Krissie has mattress issues, and Lani has the GHH . . .
Jenny C.: I was just writing serious romance.
Jenny C.: Sigh.
Lani D.: Yes, Jenny was above reproach.
Krissie O.: I’m so ashamed
Lani D.: If that makes her feel better.
Jenny C.: It’s all right. I’m very open-minded.
Jenny C.: Except when you guys made me de-ball Sam.
Jenny C.: That was terrible.
Lani D.: LOL. A little awe. I said a LITTLE. You went overboard all on your own.
Lani D.: You violated the sanctity of the GHH. He must have a little awe.
Jenny C.: He was the strong silent type.
Lani D.: And the second resurrected argument.
Lani D.: lol
Jenny C.: He was silently awed.
Lani D.: See? Book’s done and written and we STILL argue about this stuff.
Jenny C.: Which is actually what happens when you’re awed, damn it.
Krissie O.: In the courtyard
Jenny C.: You SHUT UP.
Lani D.: No, because no one has SEX in the courtyard. Unless they bring the mattress in themselves.
Jenny C.: Yeah. At least he delivered in the temple.
Jenny C.: Noah ordered out for later.
Jenny C.: And then there’s Christopher.
Jenny C.: Worst first time EVER.
Lani D.: Right. Recently de-virginated, he just LEAVES.
Jenny C.: Honest to god, these goddesses could not catch a break.
Lani D.: We made Krissie re-do that.
Jenny C.: Well he was shocked. And awed.
Jenny C.: And gone.
Krissie O.: I changed it. He told her to stay.
Lani D.: Right. It’s either silence or they LEAVE.
Jenny C.: I know you changed it. After we bitched about it.
Krissie O.: See I can be taught
Jenny C.: Or they don’t do anything at all because THEY’RE IN THE COURTYARD.
Lani D.: Still arguing.
Jenny C.: Which Krissie still has in the wrong place.
Jenny C.: It’s behind and not to the right.
Jenny C.: But that’s okay. The book is done.
Lani D.: That’s what Noah said.
Jenny C.: It’s a miracle.
Lani D.: The book is done and we’re still arguing. And laughing.
Krissie O.: Yup. We came, we saw, we kicked its ass.
Jenny C.: So it was a good time and this is why we love collaborating.
Jenny C.: Because we laugh.
Lani D.: Absolutely.
Krissie O.: Yup. And I’d do it again the drop of an email.
Lani D.: Me, too.
Jenny C.: Yep. In fact we have a killer idea for a new one.
Jenny C.: But that’s a later Campfire. Stay tuned.

8 Comments so far

  1. Diane (TT) February 10th, 2009 11:42 am

    The fun came through very clearly - which made it such a joy to read!

    I’m glad that you’re still having fun.

  2. me February 10th, 2009 1:17 pm

    An actual GHH? HA! It is torture that I am making myself wait to buy this book until Dayton…

  3. B (AUS) February 10th, 2009 8:00 pm

    I am equally tortured - stupid isolated Australia. We live in the modern age, but still Amazon has issues crossing the Pacific. So I’m still waiting, and waiting (and occasionally assaulting the postman) slavering for my copy. One day…

  4. Louis February 10th, 2009 8:45 pm

    Yup, I chuckled at the mattress up the stairs bit.

    Pass the marshmallows wi th the next campfire, please.

  5. Kelly February 11th, 2009 2:46 pm

    THREE DAYS? I’m missing the significance. Is it just that it took a person 3 days to see what the other two were pointing out? Kind of like the Barenaked Ladies song “One Week” before someone will apologize?

    Also, sex in the courtyard - I see that Lani gets harassed by this. Will I understand why if I read past blog postings?

    Other than that, thanks! Thank you for writing and laughing and providing us all insight into the fun you had and are still having. I’m probably not alone wishing that I could have been with you to watch and laugh along. Still, I guess I got to do that as I read the book. Stay healthy and keep writing!! PLEASE!

  6. Sharon W. February 11th, 2009 7:52 pm

    Just finished the book yesterday. Outstanding!! I had so much fun reading it, and your characters were so interesting. Each one had their own traits, but I think I could be friends with all of them. The dogs were wonderful, I liked Bowser, and of course Milton and Wolfie. And, I liked what you did to Mina, the pack will teach her how to be a good pup.
    You had me worried towards the end when I thought you were going to do in Sam. I breathed a sigh of relief when he became human. And, Kammani, she had a kinked view of the world, and hey, Hollywood can alway use another ‘Goddess’. Right?
    Anyway, I really enjoyed all of your hard work, and while you are on your tour, watch out for the nasty weather coming your way. Be safe.

  7. Bonnie C February 13th, 2009 1:24 pm

    I finished the book last night - bravo! It was a great deal of fun and worth the wait.

    I read the boozle scene after reading this post and knew I hadn’t gotten to it yet. I cried when I read it. I was also at happy hour in a restaraunt.

    Well played, ladies!

  8. Melissa Blue February 14th, 2009 6:56 pm

    When I’m feeling down I go back and read the original post on GHH. Still cracks me up. *Mel leaves with a trail of glitter….*

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