June 24: Pt 1, Copper and Silver and Bronze

7:45 PM
Jenny C. has entered the room
7:55 PM
Lani D. has entered the room

Lani D. Okay, I just got off the phone, and I’m dying to read this, so I’ll be right back…

Krissie O. has entered the room

Jenny C. Hi, Krissie.
Jenny C. I just sent you two pieces of scenes, not whole scenes

Krissie O. Hi, guys

Jenny C. That’s what Lani’s reading.

Krissie O. Where are they?
Krissie O. In e-mail?

Jenny C. Yes.
Jenny C. I have a big chunk of pieces of things because that’s how I write in the beginning.

Krissie O. I’ll go check

Lani D. OMG. “He can get away with a lot of math now.” I love it!

Jenny C. It’s still really rough.

Lani D. I love that spinning, the visual, the connection between the goddesses. It’s so lovely.

Jenny C. And then there’s a third scene for the three beat.

Lani D. Oh, hell, the whole thing’s rough.
Lani D. Doesn’t mean it’s not wonderful.
Lani D. I just love the heart of it.

Jenny C. I’ve got a file full of bits and pieces like that.

Krissie O. Love it.

Lani D. We’ll tighten it, I love what it says about the three.

Jenny C. I think once I get it everything that I’ve got in it

Lani D. Isn’t it lovely?

Krissie O. (I’m back)

Jenny C. I’ll send it to you both.
Jenny C. So you can see if it works for you.

Krissie O. Absolutely lovely.
Krissie O. There was a line that cracked me up.
Krissie O. Oh, I know. It was “step away from the Math”

Jenny C. I have to get the bits and pieces down and then work them into scenes when I’ve got the whole story, but I need you to read them and see where I’m going wrong since it’s a collab.
Jenny C. Math. Poor Milki.
Jenny C. Gracie is so not a math person.
Jenny C. And it’s all he’s got.

Krissie O. It’ll be good for him.

Jenny C. Oh, yes.
Jenny C. He’s the Mesopotamian Christopher.

Krissie O. And then he’ll have Gracie.
Krissie O. I forget, is Christopher descended from him or related?

Jenny C. I think that’s up to you. I like the idea of descended.

Lani D. I think that’s probably your call. I thought he was descended.

Krissie O. Yeah, I do too.

Jenny C. I actually have a plan for that.

Lani D. And he’s Kammani’s enemy, still? Right?

Jenny C. Well he’s her antithesis.
Jenny C. She’s Life! and Love!
Jenny C. And he’s math.

Lani D. LOL.

Krissie O. Is she still planning to hack Sam apart?

Jenny C. Yep.

Lani D. Well, old habits die hard…

Jenny C. And she’s really annoyed with him because he’s CHANGING.
Jenny C. I actually have this in bits and pieces.
Jenny C. Here:

“We can make this world our own,” Kammani said, drawing closer, staring into his eyes, waiting to see the heat.
“This is not what we were meant for,” Sam said, looking down at her, still cool. “Death is your handmaiden. Wherever you go, Death is by your side. Is that what you wanted?”
“Don’t be so literal,” Kammani said.
“I’ll bleed and die for you,” Sam said, “but I’ll live for her.”
He turned to go but Kammani called after him. “I won’t raise you again.
He smiled at her in the dim light of the temple. “I’ll rise.”
“Not without me,” Kammani said. “You can’t come back without me.”
“I’ll come back for her,” Sam said and left, and Kammani sat down on the edge of the altar platform and thought, Bloody hell.

Krissie O. Ooooh, that’s so nice!

Jenny C. I have five thousand words of this stuff.

Krissie O. “I’ll come back for her.”
Krissie O. Sigh.

Lani D. Very cool.
Lani D. I love your little moments. They’re so wonderful.

Jenny C. I want to get the rest of the stuff in my head down on paper and then send it all to you so you can say, “Yes” to whatever and “No” to whatever.

Lani D. Death is your handmaiden.
Lani D. Love it.
Lani D. Right now, I’m really in a “yes” to everything mode.

Jenny C. I like the “Don’t be so literal” from a goddess who’s going to slaughter him for symbolism.

Lani D. I think we need to indulge everything and then just see what works.

Krissie O. Me too. I figure it’s like throwing paint at the canvas and seeing what sticks.

Jenny C. Yes, but I need direction.

Lani D. Oh, yes - that’s great.
Lani D. Okay - you can send what you’ve got and I’ll give you my impressions, but I think it’s too early to shut stuff down.

Jenny C. I need the nudge.
Jenny C. Especially on the climax.
Jenny C. That’s so much the three together

Lani D. Right, the climax we’ll have to work together.

Jenny C. So if I’m going in the wrong direction there
Jenny C. We need to know.
Jenny C. I have a rough of it done.

Lani D. I kind of see it like the end of S7 Buffy. Everyone with a role to play, everyone in for the fight.

Krissie O. We’ll read and we’ll tell you what we think.

Jenny C. Exactly.
Jenny C. Good.

Lani D. Yeah, I just love all these bits and pieces and ideas. To me, it’s just so wonderful to have all that creativity flowing.
Lani D. And then we’ll tighten it down as we need to, but right now, I’m just luxuriating.

Jenny C. I know you both know that’s it’s discovery draft but I feel like I have to say, hey we can cut this and do it a different way.

Lani D. But if there’s anything that’s wrong for Daisy, I’ll definitely let you know.

Jenny C. And of course right now because I wrote it, it’s very Shar/Sam centric
Jenny C. So that’ll have to be fixed.

Lani D. Oh, yeah, I know.
Lani D. It’s part of what makes it so fun.

Jenny C. I think it’s mainly figuring out how they’re together.

Lani D. Well, of course what you write should be Shar/Sam centric.

Jenny C. I want to do the scene in the temple when the three of them and the dogs are crawling around with flashlights.

Lani D. Yeah, those scenes are going to be complex.
Lani D. The triple scenes.

Jenny C. I found a bas relief for the altar.
Jenny C. You wouldn’t believe it.

Lani D. Oh, I’m so excited about that scene.
Lani D. Oh, yay!

Jenny C. I think we have to figure out a way to incorporate the pictures, I really do.
Jenny C. We can definitely do it on the website.

Krissie O. It would be good for me if we laid it out when we’re in NYC.

Jenny C. Oh, yes, that’s so much easier.

Krissie O. Sort of an outline kind of thing, the way we did with UMF.

Lani D. I wonder if we can’t do a photo spread, like they do in non-fiction books.

Jenny C. And it’s in a month!
Jenny C. I’m so happy we’re doing that.

Lani D. Oh, yes, Krissie, we’ll definitely do that.
Lani D. Pick your sticky note color!

Lani D. We’re painting the walls!

Jenny C. Assuming that we can use them.

Lani D. Yes - I can’t believe it! A month!

Jenny C. I love this book.

Lani D. Right, there’s rights to get and everything.
Lani D. But man, how fun.
Lani D. I adore it.

Jenny C. And it’s got so much STUFF in it.

Krissie O. I love Milki.

Jenny C. The more I write, the lighter it gets on top and the darker it is underneath.
Jenny C. Oh, Milki.

Lani D. I’m actually loving all my books right now. I really think I have D&G to thank, and you two. This has been such a perfect experience for me creatively.

Jenny C. He really humanizes Sam, too.

Lani D. I adore Milki.

Jenny C. I know, I’m on a tear, too.
Jenny C. Both books and the crochet and I’m just so happy.

Lani D. Yes, demi-gods having uncles who ramble. I love it.

Krissie O. And I’m writing and quilting.

Jenny C. Well, he only rambles when he’s around Gracie.

Krissie O. So all is good.

Jenny C. I can’t wait to see that quilt.
Jenny C. I want to start crocheting for D&G now.

Lani D. Me, too. I had a huge breakthrough with Freya, I’m loving Liv, there’s this and I’m just having a great time.

Jenny C. I keep seeing it in gold and I’m not sure why.
Jenny C. That was really Egypt that was gold-centric.
Jenny C. Oh, yay on Freya.

Lani D. Yeah. Huge breakthrough. I’m excited.

Jenny C. I just want to crochet wraps in gold thread.
Jenny C. And blue.

Lani D. Which is good. I was terrified.

Krissie O. I’m seeing copper for Mesopotamia

Lani D. Oh, cool.

Krissie O. Don’t know why, but I am.

Jenny C. Oooh.

Lani D. Are you doing a quilt for the book, K?

Jenny C. You know, is it possible we’re working with metals here.

Krissie O. For UMF? Yup.

Lani D. Oh, so cool!

Jenny C. Abby’s copper and Shar’s gold and Daisy’s silver?

Krissie O. I’ll probably end up doing one for D&G too.

Lani D. Oh, that’s great.

Jenny C. I felt so much closer to Dee doing her hat.

Lani D. I’m going to have to knit us some D&G scarves. :)
Lani D. That’s so cool.

Jenny C. I know that’s dumb but I kept taking it apart and putting it back until I had it.

Krissie O. Oh, Abby’s definitely copper. Because you use copper in cooking.

Jenny C. What colors do you see for D&G?

Lani D. No, not dumb at all.

Jenny C. Copper and . . .
Jenny C. I keep seeing gold and blue.
Jenny C. Or maybe bronze and blue.

Lani D. I keep seeing blue, too.

Krissie O. Well, I’m a big blue person too.

Jenny C. I think I started with gold sand and blue skies.

Lani D. And a mild, natural orange. Sand and sky.

Krissie O. Er, big on blue. I’m not really a big blue person.

Jenny C. So blue is the theme color. That’s good.
Jenny C. Kinda depends on the day, Krissie.
Jenny C. Smooch.

Lani D. Now I have a visual. Big blue Krissie.

Krissie O. So true.

Jenny C. Lani, do you see a metal with the blue or am I out to lunch on these metallics?

Jenny C. Because really, it’s stone.
Jenny C. Remember the beautiful stone cylinders we found?

Lani D. No, I’m really feeling the metallic. Like jewelry.
Lani D. Accents.

Jenny C. Black and lapis and gold.

Krissie O. I love the metallic for Abby. The copper. Copper just seems right for her.

Lani D. Oh, those cylinders! Loved those.

Jenny C. Copper for Abby. What for Daisy?

Krissie O. I have copper cooking pots and a special copper bowl to whip egg whites in.
Krissie O. The only way to whip egg whites. Copper bowl and balloon whisk.

Lani D. For Daisy… silver’s too cool. Gold’s too yellow. Hmmmm…

Lani D. I shall file that away for when I start cooking, K. :)

Krissie O. Hammered bronze?

Jenny C. I thought silver was too cool for her.
Jenny C. Copper, bronze, and gold?
Jenny C. Bronze is copper and something else.

Lani D. I like bronze.

Krissie O. All warm and deserty.

Lani D. Right. And the hammered bronze is great for Daisy. Chaos and control.
Lani D. You like gold for Shar?

Jenny C. Kammani is gold, I think.
Jenny C. Shar might be silver.

Lani D. Kammani I can see as gold.
Lani D. platinum?

Krissie O. There’s yellow gold and rose gold.

Jenny C. In Mesopotamia?
Jenny C. I think we want the basics.
Jenny C. Copper, bronze, those are GOOD metals for ancient times.
Jenny C. Pewter’s not back then is it?
Jenny C. That’s fairly modern I think.

Krissie O. Maybe we’ll find a good metal at the MMA

Lani D. View paste

The history of tin goes back to the Sumerians who produced bronze (a copper-tin alloy) nearly 4500 years. The oldest known pewter is about 3500 years old and comes from Egypt. Pewter from China dates back at least 2000 years and from Japan about 1100 years. Phoenicians traded for Cornish tin more than 2000 years ago, and tin and lead resources may have been a factor in the Roman occupation of Britain. Small pewter items were made in Roman Britain.

Lani D. Hey! Dig me! I can research! ;)

Jenny C. You are incredible.
Jenny C. That’s it copper and tin.

Lani D. Yes. And also very humble.

Krissie O. Hmmm. People cook with tin too. I can possibly be convinced to give copper to Shar and keep tin for Abby.

Jenny C. Abby’s so warm and copper is cooking.

Krissie O. Abby’s pretty earthy.
Krissie O. Shar’s more upscale.
Krissie O. Yeah. Tin is kind of … tinny.

Jenny C. I think Shar’s hair and skin are going to darken, too.

Lani D. Tin is kinda cheap.

Krissie O. Oooh, I like that.

Jenny C. So silver might be her.

Lani D. I think Bun and Gen are tin. :)

Jenny C. She’s also peace at night, stars.

Krissie O. Yup.

Jenny C. Bun and Gen are sugar roses.

Lani D. I like silver.

Jenny C. Copper, bronze, silver.
Jenny C. And then Kammani is gold.
Jenny C. Flashy little beast.

Lani D. All right. Sounds good.
Lani D. She’s always been a tramp.

Jenny C. And blue runs through all of it?

Krissie O. Sounds good to me. I think we need to shop for jewelry.

Lani D. Right.

Krissie O. <g>

Lani D. I think we must. It’s an imperative.

Jenny C. Jewelry is always good.
Jenny C. I’m trying to find copper yarn on the net now.
Jenny C. They don’t make copper lame for sure.

Krissie O. I have copper thread.

Lani D. LOL - I’m off searching as well.

Jenny C. Do you guys buy yarn on the net?

Krissie O. Who says they don’t make copper lame.

Jenny C. LOL
Jenny C. Lion Brand doesn’t
Jenny C. which is what everybody carries around here.

Krissie O. I buy fabric on the net.
Krissie O. They make all sorts of interesting fabric.

Jenny C. I like SEEING the yarn.
Jenny C. But after working with metallics on those hats
Jenny C. Now I just want SHINY yarn.
Jenny C. I’m a simple woman.
Jenny C. If it glitters, I’m there.

Krissie O. They definitely have copper metallic thread. I think

Lani D. Right. Me, too.

Krissie O. I’ll look if I go over to patternworks next week.

Lani D. There’s so much novelty yarn out there, I’m sure we can find something.

Krissie O. Great yarn shop that’s a sister to Keepsake Quilting.

Jenny C. It’s the metallics that are tough. Gold and silver are easy.
Jenny C. Bronze and copper, not so much.

Lani D. Well, we’ll find it.
Lani D. We’ll be in NYC.
Lani D. If we can’t find it there, it can’t be found.

Jenny C. I hate these brands that call their yard “Palace”. What the hell color is palace?

Krissie O. What’s the difference between brass and bronze?

Jenny C. Brass is yellow-er.
Jenny C. Bronze has this gorgeous warm depth to it.
Jenny C. Darker.

Krissie O. Oh, I know the different look.

Jenny C. Brass is . . . brassier.

Krissie O. I’m wondering about composition.

Jenny C. Hmmmm.

Krissie O. You know, Kammani could be brass.

Jenny C. http://www.discountyarnsale.com/pd_dmc_sen…
Jenny C. I like Senso.
Jenny C. It works up beautifully.

Lani D. Oh, fun.
Jenny C. Of course there’s no silver, but red copper and dark old gold sound like copper and bronze to me and those are the difficult ones.

Krissie O. Oh, those are nice!

Lani D. Very cool.

Jenny C. They have gold and silver festive fur.
Jenny C. Why does that sound dirty?

Lani D. The blanc looks very silvery

Krissie O. LOL

Jenny C. I think I’ll probably order them all to see what they’re like.
Jenny C. I can always use Senso as a base yarn.
Jenny C. It’s got a really smooth twist. It’s lovely to work with.

Lani D. Sounds neat.

Krissie O. Mesopotamia!

Jenny C. Uh, yes?

Krissie O. So, should I put up my Abby scene where I haven’t yet changed Miranda?

Lani D. Yes.

Krissie O. Or should I wait and change it to Beastie first?

Lani D. What, the second scene?

Krissie O. (Krissie staying on task here)

Lani D. Up to you, babe.

Jenny C. I love Beastie. Change it to Beastie.

Lani D. I think people would love it either way.

Jenny C. Good for you for being on task.

Krissie O. So we could put up an earlier version (maybe much earlier — one of the ones that the beta readers scorned)

Jenny C. Oh, yeah, whatever you want.

Krissie O. And then the gloriously revised one.

Lani D. You don’t have to.

Jenny C. You’re a brave woman.

Lani D. We’re not hurting for entries, thanks to Jenny. (Love you for that, btw, J.)

Krissie O. Both, because I’m lazy and it’s twice the stuff for the same amount of work.
Krissie O. I have no shame.

Jenny C. I’m just putting up my research.

Jenny C. I’m actually doing the same thing for AKMG.

Lani D. Well, it’s really your call. I’m good either way, and I think the readers are excited about anything we can give them.

Jenny C. It’s a private blog.
Jenny C. Just me.

Lani D. Oh, yeah, you were talking about that.

Jenny C. But whenever I find something, I put it up there.

Krissie O. OK, I’ll see if I can find an earlier draft (not so bad it will frighten them away)

Jenny C. And eighteen months from now when Mollie does the website.

Lani D. How are you doing that on a private blog.

Jenny C. Ta da.

Krissie O. And then do the revised one.

Jenny C. Wordpress has private blogs. Like the Glinda blog.

Krissie O. What’s the Glinda blog?

Lani D. Right - but you’re posting your snippets and revisions? How is it easier/better for you than just putting a bunch of stuff in a word document? Just curious about it.

Jenny C. The Glinda blog is a writer’s group Lani and I belong to.

Lani D. The Glindas are the writing group.

Jenny C. Private, only 25 people.
Jenny C. You’d hate it.
Jenny C. You have to critique scenes.

Krissie O. Aiyee!!!
Krissie O. <Krissie running away screaming>

Lani D. Yes. And when you do something wrong, Jenny uses you as a bad example to the whole group in the FAQs.
Lani D. It’s how she shows affection. :)

Jenny C. Only when you whine.
Jenny C. Smooch.

Lani D. LOL
Lani D. Smooch.

(To be continued after we post the scene we brainstormed next. Well, after Jenny writes it.)

9 Comments so far

  1. Diane (TT) June 29th, 2007 2:43 pm

    Much laughter! You three are all so visual and creative. If I were tin and other people were copper and bronze, I’d feel slighted. Did Mesopotamians do enamels or anything like that? That could be your blue (e.g. Egyptian faience). All still jewelry and craft-related, but avoids the tin, which seems cheap and the silver, which may be (though you may have changed your mind again) too chilly/ Nordic for your desert folk. But rose gold is nice, too, and Kammani as brass, well - it’s a useful metal, for instruments and fire tools, but takes a lot of polishing…

  2. Jessi June 30th, 2007 12:04 am

    Just a suggestion, what about cobalt?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt

    Metal, long history, beautiful blue.

  3. Downundergal June 30th, 2007 4:01 am

    Metal? Never thought of equating my characters to what kindof metal they are.
    Lapis - love lapis.

  4. Laura Vivanco June 30th, 2007 7:03 pm

    All this yarn talk is making me think that you three are the Norns.

    Jenny C. Well he’s her antithesis.
    Jenny C. She’s Life! and Love!
    Jenny C. And he’s math.

    I’ve always thought that maths was a bit like magic, except that instead of incantations and runes, you have formulae. Has his power increased with the invention of algebra? And did the Messopotamians have the concept of zero and being able to multiply negatives to make a positive? I’d have thought not, but that last trick seems particularly pleasing to me and Kammani might not be expecting it if her knowledge of maths hasn’t caught up yet.

    Also you can’t get much more Life! and Love! than multiplication ;-)

  5. Sheryl June 30th, 2007 7:26 pm

    Lapis and copper are so Sumerian. I always visualize those two colours for that time frame. You make me want to dig out my yarn and threads and create. Hmmm, I have some beads, and thread and I wonder what else I can conjure?

  6. Marcia in OK July 2nd, 2007 4:03 pm

    Jenny, found this shawl kit with bronze yarn . . . from Lion Brand

    http://pages.e-yarn.com/6030/PictPage/1922241244.html

    And RedHeart brand also makes a color they call bronze. http://shop.royalyarns.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=16434

    and oodles of copper tones: http://shop.royalyarns.com/index.asp?txtSearch=copper&PageAction=PRODSEARCH

    I collect yarns, and fabrics! ugh!

  7. Jenny July 2nd, 2007 5:31 pm

    I found some metallics on eBay, so I’ll see if those work. I found lapis on there, too. Ooooo, lapis.

    Sorry. Craft geek.

  8. patmcaudel July 4th, 2007 10:34 pm

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